No convincing...

[Odis]

 Why am I tryin to convince you siiiiix.. Ive learned and been told that it is impossible to convince anyone of anything... Why make any answers to any posts? That will just start another fight.. Their arent 2 views on America, alot of people view America different. Some may be bad some may be good, Ive just gotta deal with what they say..  But you know what Im goona do now? Im goona go play Battlefield 2 and kill some Middle East Coalition soldiers, Peace out! 

  P.s. Sorry for going off topic on that last thread.

[Dukelive]

Well, there are many views, but there are two main views.... the view that 1, AMerica is good and should continue it's actions, and 2, that America has been a dumbass in its current decisions and should be burned. The second namely held by terrorists and religious extremists.

[andy]

Well, there are many views, but there are two main views.... the view that 1, AMerica is good and should continue it's actions, and 2, that America has been a dumbass in its current decisions and should be burned. The second namely held by terrorists and religious extremists.

not necessarily.

bush (hence america) is a dumbass

 

[Dukelive]

Yeah.

[Odis]

 I dont get it... Why are there so many liberals and people who want peace and love and think all wars are bad, on this forum? This is a forum for Battlefield 2... In this game every fight is part of a war, you kill people for fun and points... How can you play this game, and then go out say you hate war?? If Bush wasnt president, Kerry would be... And then you all would be playing Barbie Explorer or neopets... You wouldnt have the freedom to shoot your guns, because Kerry would have had guns takin away from us... You could have been probably broken in on in these 6 years, and without a gun to defend yourself you would probably have been killed, so think about it... You can have your everlasting peace which every person in the whole wide world will agree to not be violent... Think about it... Peace with the world is impossible, without war you wouldnt even have BF2, because EA is in America, which people had to fight hard for. People died so you could have a life.... Now your sitting here spitting in their faces... American or not.. If there wasnt america, who knows the world could be ruled by the UK.. Now im not saying the UK is bad, but most nations that are ruled by a king or queen never usually last this long.. So before you insult the people who fought for americas and other countires freedoms, think... Youd be dead or enslaved...

[andy]

i never said we don't need wars.

but bush's war was an illegal one.

there were no WMD's - have any been found!?!

he brought this war on to get oil.

how is that any better than when saddam took kuwait?

 

[Smitty]

i never said we don't need wars.

but bush's war was an illegal one.

there were no WMD's - have any been found!?!

he brought this war on to get oil.

how is that any better than when saddam took kuwait?

 

Do you really think Bush went to war for oil, or WMD's blah blah blah.  BS.  It was all a smoke screen.  Lets look at the big picture and lets look at this thing long term. 


The war was waged using the above as convincing reasons to the international community and to democtatic politicians in the US.  The real reason war was waged was so the US and allies could get a stratigic foothold in the middle east to keep the surrounding countries of crazy mother f'ers under control.  Iraq is a perfect launching ground for US strikes anywhere in the middle east if they get out of line.  We have ports for supplies, and can launch an attack anywhere in the Mid East in just minutes. The US knew Iran, Iraq, and other middle eastern countries where looking to get nuclear and that is a scarry, scarry, thing and im sure no one will dispute that. 

The few thousand lost soldiers over the last 3 years of war are big sacrifices BUT they are tiny sacrifices compared to what WILL happen if Iran gets a nuke,  millions and millions will die.  Most countries with nukes use them as a deterrent to war, Iran will use it offensively, their President has allready threatened every non-muslim country in the world with it.  It's not a question of if they will launch because they WILL launch a nuke when they get it. 

Thank a soldier for the sacrifices they are making for all of us. 

It wont be long until Isreal stikes Irans nuke production plant and sets them back a decade.  Thousands will die from the backlash against Isreal but not the millions from a nuke.  It has to be done and I support thier right to a pre-emptive stike haulting Irans bomb building plans before Iran blows them off the map completely.

If we could find an alternative to oil and take away the middle easts $ they would be back to living in tents and trading in thier mercedes for a camel with in years.

[andy]

there are viable alternatives - if only the money went into developing them.

bottom line is there is too much money in it for bush and his CEO mates in the oil companies.

[Dukelive]

Not to mention Sadam tried to kill Bush's daddy. Bush senior.

It was  awar for revenge, oil and simply a "hey let's use this as a nice big anti-terrorism campaign".

Unfortunately the reason why this war isn't over (when it shouldn't have happened in the first place) is 2 main reasons.

1. Bush did not authorize Powell's doctrine of overwhelming force which would have ended the war approx 6 to 12 months ago.

2. The reason why there are more and more insurgents is because America isn't getting the fack out of there and civilians are starting to get pissed off and because of this start saying "okay fack America".


EDIT: Also, kind of ironic but since they tried to get oil by going into Iraq, they used up MORE oil than they'll get back due to the use of a "covert operation" to take control of Iraq. Shoulda used the Doctrine bush! Naughty Naughty! We would have more soldiers coming back to families and less deaths overall!


Also on the war games issue, it's a GAME. The reason for us playing it is because we know it's fake. We're not into the whole "i'm gonna brutally murder you on a battlefield" sort of gig (at least not most of us heheheh....... death. j/k). And it's also because it lets the players have a sense of action, without possibly hurting people while doing a daily activity you wouldn't normally be able to do... like pilot F15 bombers....and such.

Cause to "simulate" something boring like Neopets (boring for some, not for others) all you need to do is adopt an animal, and name it whatever you want and call it a "unicorn" if you wish. It's uneventful. In stuff like BF2, you can jump out of a plane, parachute down into a car, and then drive the car off a cliff, jumping out and then hopping into a moving blackhawk. Now tell me, do y' think a neopet could do all that crazy stuff?


'nuff said

[Odis]

 The war wasnt started for oil... The war want started so Bush could get back at Sadam... The war was started because Sadam became a national threat to America... The terrorists have become pretty powerful of the past 20 years. They arent just attacking their own people in Iraq and Iran.. Right now they are planning and probably even attacking such countires as: The Uk, France (Cant say we should help France for what theyve done to us), and probably many many more countries... We have gone into Iraq and the Middle East to stop a national threat, We wont have a World War 3, thats what we have stopped by capturing Sadam and saved whats left of Iraq.

 Oil had nothing to do with it, and never has... If we want oil all we have to do is push the liberals off a cliff, and get the oil in Alaska, which Ive heard is full of the stuff.

And yes, BF2 is just a game, but next time you play read some of the level discriptions when the level is loading, and think, why am I fighting here? And who am I fighting for? America? The Middle East Coalition? Or The Peoples Liberation Army? You must think about why you are fighting, and for who? Forget about calling Bush some insulting name and worry about these 2 things. Why am I fighting? And for Who? Why, and for Who. 

[Dukelive]

Yeah. I've thought about that.... but No, Sadam wasn't a threat to america. He didn't have enough assets or even have the ability to launch a strike against America (if he did he'd be shot down before getting halfway across the atlantic).

And about when the map is loading? Yeah. I've thought about that.


And you know what? That's why I generally fight on the MEC or PLA. Because when it comes down to it, the war America started is pointless. Considering it WAS for oil (but Bush won't admit due to the negative feedback from everyone he'd get, despite that most of america already knows it). America isn't gonna get out of Iraq soon, despite the fact that as long as we stay there we fuel the fire of hate against America in the middle east. Also, the ONLY reaon Bush won presidency was because he had the Evangelical vote, which as unfortunate as it seems comprises more than 50% of America's population. And until now I thought America was a land of extreme diversity....

[Odis]

 No point of even dragging this on... Its useless, Im just going to get on BF2 and make a jih@d jeep. L8s... Much L8s.

[Air]

The fact of the matter is that America is screwed. Basically due to its lack of technological advancements and the law of excelareating returns. Chinese's universities churn out an average of 500,000 new scientists each year, America? only 53,000. I doubt that china will continue to graduate that many per year, but even if they were only able to achieve 250,000 per year by 2010 china could have over 1,000,000 new scientists. They will advance far quicker in nanoassembly and singularity (or superhuman AI probably by 2030) http://youtube.com/watch?v=BxilVKlFlo8&search=nanotechnology. Which could completely collapse capitalist style economies. With a nanoassembler you could theoretically create anything you want out of anything, like say taking a bag of dirt and turn it into a bag of diamonds. World hunger could end and the standard of living would rise dramatically in relatively every nation in the world. The nanotech revolution will have a far more profound on impact society than the industrial revolution ever did, and we are still living through the repercussions of it. But the dangers could also outweigh the benefits, take for example a terrorist who with the help of a nanoassembler could create a genetically triggered virus designed to attack only peoples of Caucasian descent. I'm getting pretty baked so I'm going to bring this stupid rant to a close with the following. The first sentence that I wrote is actually incorrect. America does have one chance. You must become a province of the only know super intelligent(and magical) nation in the would. Canada. Yes its a well known fact that the Canadian with the lowest IQ is 12,000 times smarter than the average American. So you can either be conquered at the hands of the Chinese, terrorists, Mexicans, obesity, tobacco, killerbees, bears, your own government, hollywood, Iran, cubans, north Koreans, french, Fox news, and the Russians. Or you huddle under might of the superior beaver pelt wearing race of Canadians. Its your choice choose wisely, and if you do plan on choosing the second option I suggest you learn this,

(English)

O Canada! Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide, O Canada,
We stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

(French)

O Canada! Terre de nos aïeux,
Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux.
Car ton bras sait porter l'épée,
Il sait porter la croix.
Ton histoire est une épopée,
Des plus brillants exploits.
Et ta valeur, de foi trempée,
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.




Odis if your serious about the things you posted you should probably put this on your front lawn for safety reasons and to deter terroists.




Edit ( and if you do join us weed will be legalized, so you can start releasing the 500000 no violent chron sellers growers and users that are currently held as political detainees in the US Gulag style prison system. Peace, Respek and Big Up Yoself!

[Air]

I see Ive been smited a couple of times  . So if anyone didn't realize I am being sarcastic in the last half of my rant lol.

[NAW-ubastm]

The war wasnt started for oil... The war want started so Bush could get back at Sadam... The war was started because Sadam became a national threat to America... The terrorists have become pretty powerful of the past 20 years. They arent just attacking their own people in Iraq and Iran.. Right now they are planning and probably even attacking such countires as: The Uk, France (Cant say we should help France for what theyve done to us), and probably many many more countries... We have gone into Iraq and the Middle East to stop a national threat, We wont have a World War 3, thats what we have stopped by capturing Sadam and saved whats left of Iraq.

Are you serious saying IRAQ would be the source to threat the western world??

Iraq was not able to have any WMD, and the economy of the country was groundet by UN (you remember, there was an controlled Embargo)....

Oil had nothing to do with it, and never has... If we want oil all we have to do is push the liberals off a cliff, and get the oil in Alaska, which Ive heard is full of the stuff.

Yes, right. I am sure if you would go to alaska, you ll find the same ammount of oil as it is in Iraq and Iran together....(I dont find the exact numbers, but I am sure it is more than 50% of global oil resources wich is covered by SA, Irag and Iran..)

And of course: USA is absolutly independent from OIL, there are no economic interest of oil at all...

Dude: the only reason USA invaded iraq was OIL!! (do you think serious gw went down to help any peoples?? ) he isnt even taking care about his electors, so why should he care about any others???
It is oil, and the acces to more oil thats about it...

And yes, BF2 is just a game, but next time you play read some of the level discriptions when the level is loading, and think, why am I fighting here? And who am I fighting for? America? The Middle East Coalition? Or The Peoples Liberation Army? You must think about why you are fighting, and for who? Forget about calling Bush some insulting name and worry about these 2 things. Why am I fighting? And for Who? Why, and for Who. 

the answer in my case to that question:
To have fun
for what army ever I am assigned for this campaign..

..and in my opinion GW Bush is an idiot/ A**hole and many more to name, but this is my opinion..

THIS is a game, and a community.
Thats why we have the "political discussion" part of the forum...