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MadSlob
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« on: May 10, 2006, 03:59:53 AM »

Read this one people taken from the (british) Times online.A stark warning for bush and co that people will not be pushed around.(as normal i distinguish between the US gvt and the good people of the USA. Wink

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2174122,00.html
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2006, 05:26:50 AM »

I especially liked this part...

"Then, in a clear criticism of US foreign policy, he quipped: "As the saying goes, Comrade Wolf knows whom to eat, it eats without listening and it’s clearly not going to listen to anyone."

"Where is all this pathos about protecting human rights and democracy when it comes to the need to pursue their own interests?" Mr Putin added, in what appeared to be a veiled response to accusations by Dick Cheney, the US Vice-President, that the Kremlin's commitment to democracy was weakening."
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2006, 07:02:01 AM »

In all fairness ,the russians cant bleat about things themselves having prosecuted a terrible war in chechnya but all the same it shows that US actions are being noted and govts are worried about the aggressive spread of US influence.I just wonder how long it will be before people say enough is enough??!
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2006, 08:28:23 AM »

I wish the nations of the world would say something now. I wish they had stood up to America years ago. The administration is out of control. They are a bunch of IDEA rats with "The Vision." Very little of their application of foreign policy is based upon reality. It's all about the "vision." Maybe Americans will get the chance to send them a message during the upcoming off-election. I'm damn glad we have term limits for presidents.

As news came out and the president sought to avoid impeachment I remember how I felt during the Nixion administration. I know people then who said it was one of our darkest times during the Nixon inquiries. Sadly we're in a much, much darker time now. It may be years before we fully realize just how dark.

Clinton put a cigar in the wrong place and lied about it. That was bad. Bush put 100,000 plus soldiers and billions of dollars in the wrong place and lies about it. Who is the worst offender? Who's evil? I'll have a Cuban cigar now...

In all fairness ,the russians cant bleat about things themselves having prosecuted a terrible war in chechnya but all the same it shows that US actions are being noted and govts are worried about the aggressive spread of US influence.I just wonder how long it will be before people say enough is enough??!
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2006, 09:01:35 PM »

You have a fixed term presidency right now m8 but who knows what will happen before the next elections..some kind of national emergency which would hold off elections for a year or 2?!?.....Bush makes his own rules up and has walked all over your constitution.Enjoy your cigar Undecided
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2006, 12:14:52 AM »

I believe that it was King George, and I paraphrase " that George Washington the colonial General who became President was the greatest man!  After serving his term in office as the President, left office and turned the reigns over to John Adams our second president.

His point being he had the power to claim the presidency as a monarchy and didn't.  It is government by the people and for the people!

He did not infringe upon the policy making powers that he felt the Constitution gave Congress. But the determination of foreign policy became preponderantly a Presidential concern. When the French Revolution led to a major war between France and England, Washington refused to accept entirely the recommendations of either his Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson, who was pro-French, or his Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton, who was pro-British. Rather, he insisted upon a neutral course until the United States could grow stronger.

Although the United States is young we have these examples to live by and go forward.  I don't think you will see president Bush seizing the reins....


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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2006, 03:26:53 AM »

I believe that it was King George, and I paraphrase " that George Washington the colonial General who became President was the greatest man!  After serving his term in office as the President, left office and turned the reigns over to John Adams our second president.

His point being he had the power to claim the presidency as a monarchy and didn't.  It is government by the people and for the people!

He did not infringe upon the policy making powers that he felt the Constitution gave Congress. But the determination of foreign policy became preponderantly a Presidential concern. When the French Revolution led to a major war between France and England, Washington refused to accept entirely the recommendations of either his Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson, who was pro-French, or his Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton, who was pro-British. Rather, he insisted upon a neutral course until the United States could grow stronger.

Although the United States is young we have these examples to live by and go forward.  I don't think you will see president Bush seizing the reins....




I am hoping not my friend.you have a great constitution.the united Kingdom has no written constitution.But your civil rights are slowly being erroded and Old arnie the governer of california is trying to get the constitution changed so that naturalised Americans can run for presidency.The last 2 elections have been fraught with controversy which in most other civilised countries would not stand.who knows what the future might bring..all i know is that the US will figure in all our futures in regards to influence .America is still free but not as free as people believe as long as corporate power and money influence the decisions a government makes.
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2006, 03:34:57 AM »

please all non-americans keep in mind that bush's approval rating is below 30% and some of us have never supported him or his 'vision'. hate the politicians not the people!
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2006, 03:59:46 AM »

I must once again re-iterate that im not anti-american and am fully aware that many many americans DIDNT vote for Bush and Co.I have great respect for the American people.I just have no time for your leaders nor american corporate power. Wink
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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2006, 07:04:41 AM »

Our government, like many, is corrupt.  The bigger and more in the public eye the country, the more corruption is noticable.  9/11 caused an unprecedented amount of paranoia in this country, both govt and civilian.  Civilians don't/didn't have much power to do anything about it.  The govt did because they hold the power that we intrusted to them.  I'm more worried about who the next president will be, rather than who the current president is.  There's so much wrong with the current and so many are adamant about a change of not just presidential but ideological, and that could lead to disaster if someone is voted in simply because it's different.  The Conservative party in power now is rejected by many typical conservatives, I being one of them.  There's a handful of possibilities for the next presedency, but liberals really need someone worth voting for and they're just not getting it and many will admit that.  Some of the conservatives out there are far more traditional than the extremist in the office now. 

Right up until a month before voting, I was going to vote for John Kerry.  Here's why I didn't.  A man came to the door to make sure people were registered to vote and to see if they wanted to register for the Democratic National Committee.  He said to me, "At first I wasn't going to stop here.  I saw the American flag hanging here and I thought you'd be another right wing conservative."  So I simply told him.  "The flag belongs to me because it represents MY country, not a political ticket or forum."  This was pretty common in my area.  Hanging the flag or displaying patriotic feelings generally gave the idea you were a conservative and supported America.  Well, regardless of who or what I support, I don't turn my back on my country no matter how ugly it gets.  I should have invited him in to see my huge Union Jack hanging in my living room.  I don't turn my back on my heritage either, no matter how ugly that can be as well either. 

Oh and as for Putin's comments
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In the animal kingdom Putin, Wolves hunt and thrive as a pack.  Lone wolves generally end up dying.  If you want to challenge for leadership of the pack, you'll need more than military strength.
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